Where have PRAI Investigated?

[6th]

Ok I know you guys have done Charleville and Kilmainham Gaol but where else have you guys been?

I understand that you cant list residential stuff but an idea of how many residential investigations would be nice.

[6th]

I've asked this question twice now in the last year and I havent gotten an answer :(

[David]

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner. :D We have investigated Wicklow Gaol again this year. We will be doing Ross Castle, and continue to investigate for our clients residential homes.
During the later part of last year the team was concentrating on recruitment. The trial investigation at Charleville and following selection process took up the better part of the summer. That's when I came in.
Like I said, we have been busier with clients so other locations had to be put on the back burner. I hope this answers your question.
If you have any suggestions feel free to post.

[6th]

It answers it a little but not much.

Apart from residential locations then its been:

Charleville
Wicklow Gaol
Kilmainham Gaol

and then Ross Castle coming up?

Is that right? It doesnt seem like much for 2 years.

[David]

I can only speak about the locations I know about therefore there could have been more locations. Take into consideration as well PRAI as a whole has done alot of radio,TV interviews and newspaper articles. We are also developing new technology which takes up alot of Ryan's time. Paul has written a book and had it published this past year.
I agree that i'd love to do more locations but consider we have been working on a new website, getting this forum back up and running, as well as all the tech work....we have been busy. We also supervise other groups while they are at Charleville Castle. In the next coming months we hope to investigate more locations as well as more open investigations this spring/summer.





It answers it a little but not much.

Apart from residential locations then its been:

Charleville
Wicklow Gaol
Kilmainham Gaol

and then Ross Castle coming up?

Is that right? It doesnt seem like much for 2 years.

[6th]

I can only speak about the locations I know about therefore there could have been more locations. Take into consideration as well PRAI as a whole has done alot of radio,TV interviews and newspaper articles. We are also developing new technology which takes up alot of Ryan's time. Paul has written a book and had it published this past year.
I agree that i'd love to do more locations but consider we have been working on a new website, getting this forum back up and running, as well as all the tech work....we have been busy. We also supervise other groups while they are at Charleville Castle. In the next coming months we hope to investigate more locations as well as more open investigations this spring/summer.

Yeah I can understand all that as I take groups for Charleville too, do radio, working on some tv and thats me on my own.

Would love to actually see some of the Research that the Paranormal Research Association of Ireland have done in the last 2 years. I havent seen a pic since the stairs one of 2004.

My frustration is only born out of the fact these questions have been asked before and you, David are the only memeber who appears to be using this forum?

[David]

Ok,
I've answered your questions to the best of my ability. We have a new website that I have been building as well that has info on it. A soon as it is done I will post it. I will reach out and try and help you out with your questions.

[ian]

Hello Mark.

In relation to your queries, the PRAI hasn't been active in the public investigation for some time. The reasonfor this has been research into new detection methods, a database program and most of the investigations we are doing recently have been residential, so that has taken a lot of our time over the last few years.

I hope this has helped with your frustration.

Thanks

Ian




Yeah I can understand all that as I take groups for Charleville too, do radio, working on some tv and thats me on my own.

Would love to actually see some of the Research that the Paranormal Research Association of Ireland have done in the last 2 years. I havent seen a pic since the stairs one of 2004.

My frustration is only born out of the fact these questions have been asked before and you, David are the only memeber who appears to be using this forum?

[Ryan]

Hello 6th,
Add leap and portlick castles to that list and then I tell you that about 90% of our work is private, consultation work and analysis of material for other groups and private individuals, then you can do the math.

As david said we have investigated the above locations more than once.
The investigation records from those non private investigations will be made available when david is finished work on the website and when I have time to format them for the web.

The reason david is the only one who appears to be using the forum is that they are not officially online and hence not linked from the main website.
I only reopened it to allow david who is our new webmaster to get to grips with the software.

I personally spend alot of time developing experimental detection systems for use in paranormal investigation and also technology for gathering and logging evidence in the field with integrated back end systems for analysis of the recorded data.

As a group we have little interest in impressing anyone or gaining kudos within this sphere of interest. unlike most groups we don't fill our website with endless pictures of orbs and proclaim the spirits are watching.

We have nothing to prove to you or anyone else, our clients are happy with the services we provide since in nearly every case when we leave we have proved a non-paranormal cause.

Any data we have that can be made public will be made public in due course, thats why dave was assigned to look after the website since I did not have the time.

But belive me most of it is as expected and nomimal again as is our mode of operation nearly everything we do find that would have 90% of other groups making wild proclamations has been either replicated onsite or explained as non paranormal.

Finally this is a hobby for every single member, we do our best with the time and resources available to us, we do not care if somebody else thinks we're not doing enough, As a group we are mostly happy with how things are going, of course there are things we would like to address like engaging more with the paranormal community but to be honest 6th(present comapany excluded) it seems to be largely populated with attention seeking, endlessely bickering nitwits and looneys.

[6th]

My 'frustration' was not with the quantity or quality of the work you guys do but with the fact that questions I had asked on here months ago had not been addressed. You've answered and cleared up quite a bit in this short thread but I think there is a tone of hostility in some parts of the responses - maybe defensive if you mistakenly took me up wrong about my 'frustration'.

Ok so this forum isnt up and running again but I did receive a pm telling me it was, as did plenty of others.

Taking what can be seen as an elitist stance on Investigations with comments like
unlike most groups we don't fill our website with endless pictures of orbs and proclaim the spirits are watching. seems strange considering PRAI previous incarnation of their website did infact contain photographs of orbs and the group itself came about through a very enthusiastic, fun and cheesey approach to the Paranormal (the use of the GhostBusters music? :D).

Disrespecting peoples beliefs with the snide 'spirits are watching us' remark is also strange seeing as quite a few of the users of the forum in the past have very spiritual and personal beliefs that almost seem unwelcome by your tone. I recall that Ian uses an opening and closing prayer to Arch Angel Micheal infact.

I have defended PRAI a few times by saying that you guys deserve respect for actually being out there and doing it. I've done plenty of residential stuff myself as well as organised 8 public investigations (not to forget 25 years of experiencing paranormal phenomenon) so I've seen enough to know that science does not have all the answer ... far from it.

I hope when the forum does become public again that users will be made feel welcome and not take offense to the comments made in this thread.

6th

[6th]

Might I add David has been very helpful and curtious since I came back here.

[Ryan]

Hey 6th,
Glad you got the answers you want and I didn't mean to come across as hostile or snippy with you. Maybe it's just because I spent the whole evening trying to wrestle a very large Mysql database from one server to another via remote desktop:eek:
Just to clarify the spiritual belief side of of thing, many of the groups members (myself included) have spirtual beliefs and interests, however as an investigative group we have chosen to employ only verifiable means in our investigations and research.

I don't mean to come across as elitest but you have to admit when going through it alot of the material presented as evidence is highy dubious as is the analysis. I really get the impression that lots of people are in this for thrills and chills with serious research playing second or no fiddle in alot of cases.
While there is nothing wrong with that, the way it's presented as serious research makes the whole field of study look sloppy and unprofessional.


seems strange considering PRAI previous incarnation of their website did infact contain photographs of orbs and the group itself came about through a very enthusiastic, fun and cheesey approach to the Paranormal (the use of the GhostBusters music? :D).

Indeed it did, but as a group we have moved on and gained experience and made choices about our direction and through research and experimentation we have learned what a geniune orb is and how to eliminate the 99.9% of the rest of the obvious artifacts,
Oh and don't mention the dreaded Ghostbusters Music:o as you have been involved with the media yourself i'm sure you are only too away that they will bring up the whole ghostbuster thing every chance they get.


so I've seen enough to know that science does not have all the answer ... far from it.
On that point we are in agreement, there is far more out there than science can even come close to explaining.
It's just that we have chosen it as our tool of choice, we do not dismiss physic and spiritual techniques I will be the first to admit to being facinated by the whole area and I have seen some compelling evidence to support it but untill we have a better understanding of it, PRAI will watch from a distance so to speak.


I hope when the forum does become public again that users will be made feel welcome and not take offense to the comments made in this thread.

Everyone is welcome here regardless of their take and stance on the paranormal, that includes believers, non belivers, scientists and physics.

Oh and that PM went a tad earlier than intended, you are of course welcome to post here.

[6th]

Perfectlt understandable that we have lives and jobs and that our mood when we come on here can reflect the hectic days we have.

I suppose its that my agenda and the agenda of PRAI as a group are very different, both are perfectly valid of course.

PRAI has very much become about the science and I look forward pathentially to the new website and reading about your work, ideas and plans. Its an hard road with me groups having put in decades of work with little or no return - so you guys have a mixture or my admiration and sympathy.

For me it is almost 100% about the community. Having experienced phenomenon for 25 years, researched for the last 10 and been heavily involved with the Irish Paranormal Community for the last 2, for me it is now about getting people talking and sharing experiences & ideas.

My approach is not very scientific at all - I can take a photographic image apart with great ease, have a good laymans understanding of science and psychology but I'm very happy to be in the position of not having the burden of proof. I dont take a particularily (traditionally) spiritual approach either. Its just not all angels and spirit guides for me - its all about people for me and generating awareness and acceptance.

I'll hold off for the new site before I start a million threads with questions but be sure I'll be hanging around.

[David]

6th,
Thank you for your views. As I have stated before in the forum, I believe that a wide variety of views is healthy and we welcome it. I have to ask what you have stated about wanting to share information and such with the paranormal community. Have you ever considered looking into IPI (International Paranormal Investigators)? In that community there is a wide variety of individuals including myself who share info and experience with groups all over the world.